Two Black Holes Behind the Dust: Webb Reveals a Hidden Pair in the Early Universe
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Two Black Holes Behind the Dust: Webb Reveals a Hidden Pair in the Early Universe

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Two black holes caught feeding side by side just 1.3 billion years after the Big Bang. JWST and ALMA confirm LID-1166, the first close dual AGN found beyond the nearby universe. Plus: Swift's final days and NASA's call for ideas to save Hubble, Rubin finds Neptune's missing trailing Trojans as Lucy enters Jupiter's, TRACERS' first look at where the solar wind gets in, and a both-hemispheres skywatch built around the Mars-Jupiter meeting on 16 November. Two Hearts in One Galaxy (LID-1166) JWST/NIRSpec integral-field spectroscopy resolves two feeding black holes ~1.5 kpc (~4,900 ly) apart at z~4.5; ALMA [CII] finds matching cold gas around each. Both appear super-Eddington yet already sit on the local black hole-host mass relation. One system, projected separation; preprint posted July, published in Nature Astronomy this week. Living on Borrowed Altitude Swift ended operations on 20 October and is expected to re-enter in early November. NASA's 29 October Request for Information asks industry about boosting, servicing or safely de-orbiting Hubble, likely to re-enter in 2033-34. Not a commitment; responses due 30 November. Trojan Week Rubin early data confirms 2025 MH348 and 2025 NN80 as long-lived trailing Neptune Trojans, plus candidate 2025 MD138 (Schwamb et al., ApJL). Lucy becomes the first spacecraft to enter the Jupiter Trojan region; Eurybates flyby 11 August 2027. TRACERS: Where the Solar Wind Gets In First results (JGR: Space Physics) suggest cusp reconnection is largely spatial rather than temporal. Mission extended to spring 2027. Quick hits BepiColombo Mercury orbit insertion 21 November; Starship Flight 15 targeted November with a double catch attempt; Voyager 1 one light-day from Earth around 18 November. Skywatch Mars and Jupiter 1.2 degrees apart before dawn on 16 November; Venus, a thin Moon and Spica low at dawn 7-10 November; Saturn high in southern evenings; zodiacal light around New Moon (9 Nov); Leonids 17-18 November; supermoon 24 November. ISO 12312-2 solar safety reminder.

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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 Anna: Welcome back for another week of the latest

00:00:03 --> 00:00:04 in space and astronomy news.

00:00:05 --> 00:00:08 12 and a half billion years ago, in a galaxy

00:00:08 --> 00:00:11 so buried in dust that Hubble never saw it,

00:00:11 --> 00:00:14 two black holes were feeding at the same

00:00:14 --> 00:00:16 time, less than 5 light years apart.

00:00:17 --> 00:00:20 Avery: And this week, a team using Webb and ALMA

00:00:20 --> 00:00:23 showed us both of them, the first time a pair

00:00:23 --> 00:00:24 that close has been caught that far back.

00:00:25 --> 00:00:28 Anna: Also today, one telescope falls this

00:00:28 --> 00:00:31 week and another asks for a lifeline.

00:00:32 --> 00:00:35 Neptune's missing Trojans start turning up

00:00:35 --> 00:00:38 and twin satellites tell us where the solar

00:00:38 --> 00:00:39 wind gets in.

00:00:39 --> 00:00:40 Avery: I'm, um, Avery.

00:00:40 --> 00:00:43 Anna: I'm Anna and this is Astronomy

00:00:43 --> 00:00:43 AstroDailyPod.

00:00:43 --> 00:00:44 Anna: Let's get going, then.

00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 Anna: Let's start with a problem that has nagged at

00:00:48 --> 00:00:50 astronomers for decades. Almost

00:00:50 --> 00:00:53 every big galaxy has a supermassive

00:00:53 --> 00:00:56 black hole at its centre. Galaxies grow

00:00:56 --> 00:00:59 by merging. So when two galaxies merge,

00:00:59 --> 00:01:02 you should get two black holes in one system

00:01:02 --> 00:01:04 sinking towards each other.

00:01:04 --> 00:01:07 Avery: And in the early universe, mergers were far

00:01:07 --> 00:01:10 more common than they are today. Galaxies

00:01:10 --> 00:01:12 were closer together, richer in gas and

00:01:12 --> 00:01:14 running into each other all the time.

00:01:15 --> 00:01:17 Anna: So you would expect the young universe to be

00:01:17 --> 00:01:20 full of these pairs. Two black holes both

00:01:20 --> 00:01:23 switched on and feeding a few thousand light

00:01:23 --> 00:01:25 years apart from. Astronomers call them, um,

00:01:25 --> 00:01:28 Dual Active Galactic Nuclei. Dual

00:01:28 --> 00:01:29 AGN for short.

00:01:29 --> 00:01:32 Avery: But here is the problem. Until

00:01:32 --> 00:01:35 now, every confirmed pair that close

00:01:35 --> 00:01:38 under about 3 kiloparsecs, or roughly

00:01:38 --> 00:01:41 10 light years, has been in the nearby

00:01:41 --> 00:01:43 universe. Go further back in time

00:01:44 --> 00:01:45 and they vanish from the record.

00:01:46 --> 00:01:48 Anna: Which is the opposite of what theory

00:01:48 --> 00:01:51 predicts. Either of the pairs aren't there

00:01:51 --> 00:01:53 or we've been missing them.

00:01:53 --> 00:01:56 Avery: Enter lid 1166.

00:01:56 --> 00:01:59 It was first flagged as an X ray source in

00:01:59 --> 00:02:02 the Chandra Cosmos Legacy Survey.

00:02:02 --> 00:02:05 Something was clearly feeding hard.

00:02:05 --> 00:02:08 But in even the deepest Hubble images, there

00:02:08 --> 00:02:10 was essentially nothing to see.

00:02:11 --> 00:02:14 Anna: That's the signature of heavy obscuration.

00:02:14 --> 00:02:17 The X rays punch through the dust. Visible

00:02:17 --> 00:02:17 light doesn't.

00:02:18 --> 00:02:21 Avery: So a team led by Haewon Su at the

00:02:21 --> 00:02:23 International Gemini Observatory, part of

00:02:23 --> 00:02:26 NSF's Noir Lab, pointed the James Webb

00:02:26 --> 00:02:29 Space Telescope at it using NIRSPEC in its

00:02:29 --> 00:02:30 integral field mode.

00:02:31 --> 00:02:34 Anna: Integral field spectroscopy is the key

00:02:34 --> 00:02:37 here. Instead of one spectrum for the whole

00:02:37 --> 00:02:39 object, you get a spectrum for every small

00:02:39 --> 00:02:42 patch of it. A map where every pixel is a

00:02:42 --> 00:02:43 rainbow.

00:02:43 --> 00:02:45 Avery: And in that map, lid

00:02:45 --> 00:02:48 1166 split in two.

00:02:49 --> 00:02:51 Two separate glowing regions about

00:02:52 --> 00:02:54 one and a half kiloparsecs apart. That's

00:02:54 --> 00:02:57 roughly 4900 light years.

00:02:58 --> 00:03:00 And they are moving relative to each other

00:03:00 --> 00:03:02 along our line of sight at about

00:03:02 --> 00:03:05 164 kilometres per second,

00:03:05 --> 00:03:08 Anna: the object sits at a redshift of about

00:03:08 --> 00:03:11 four and a half. Or seeing it as it was,

00:03:11 --> 00:03:14 around 1.3 billion years after the

00:03:14 --> 00:03:15 big bang.

00:03:15 --> 00:03:18 Avery: Two glowing blobs isn't enough on its own.

00:03:18 --> 00:03:21 They could be two star forming clumps.

00:03:21 --> 00:03:24 So the team looked for the fingerprint of a

00:03:24 --> 00:03:26 feeding black broad hydrogen

00:03:26 --> 00:03:27 alpha emission.

00:03:28 --> 00:03:30 Anna: When gas orbits very close to a black

00:03:30 --> 00:03:33 hole, it moves fast enough to smear

00:03:33 --> 00:03:36 its spectral lines out, sometimes by

00:03:36 --> 00:03:38 thousands of kilometres per second.

00:03:39 --> 00:03:41 Star forming regions don't do that.

00:03:42 --> 00:03:44 Avery: And both components showed it, including a

00:03:44 --> 00:03:47 compact broad line source sitting off the

00:03:47 --> 00:03:49 main nucleus on the companion

00:03:49 --> 00:03:52 two engines both running.

00:03:52 --> 00:03:55 Anna: There's an obvious trap to rule out and the

00:03:55 --> 00:03:58 team addressed it. Gravitational lensing.

00:03:58 --> 00:04:01 A foreground mass can split one distant

00:04:01 --> 00:04:02 source into two images.

00:04:03 --> 00:04:06 Avery: But lensed images of the same object share

00:04:06 --> 00:04:09 the same redshift and the same line shapes.

00:04:09 --> 00:04:11 These two don't. Slightly different

00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 redshifts, different broad line profiles,

00:04:15 --> 00:04:16 two different objects.

00:04:16 --> 00:04:19 Anna: And then there's the independent check from

00:04:19 --> 00:04:21 the southern hemisphere. The

00:04:21 --> 00:04:24 Atacama Large Millimetre Submillimeter

00:04:24 --> 00:04:27 Array in northern Chile looked at the same

00:04:27 --> 00:04:30 system in a light of ionised carbon, but

00:04:30 --> 00:04:33 at 158 microns that

00:04:33 --> 00:04:34 traces cold gas.

00:04:35 --> 00:04:38 Avery: Alma found two cold gas components too,

00:04:38 --> 00:04:41 sitting with the same two nuclei and moving

00:04:41 --> 00:04:42 in step with them.

00:04:42 --> 00:04:45 Anna: That matters, because one alternative is that

00:04:45 --> 00:04:47 the second black hole was kicked out of its

00:04:47 --> 00:04:50 galaxy or flung loose in a three way

00:04:50 --> 00:04:53 gravitational encounter. A black hole

00:04:53 --> 00:04:56 thrown out like that tends to travel

00:04:56 --> 00:04:59 naked without its own gas around it.

00:04:59 --> 00:05:02 Avery: These two each have their own reservoir.

00:05:02 --> 00:05:04 That says two gas rich galaxies

00:05:05 --> 00:05:07 close to the end of a merger, each still

00:05:07 --> 00:05:09 carrying its own black hole into the middle.

00:05:09 --> 00:05:11 Anna: Here is where it gets interesting.

00:05:12 --> 00:05:14 Both black holes appear to be accreting above

00:05:14 --> 00:05:16 the Eddington limit.

00:05:16 --> 00:05:18 Avery: Regular listeners will remember the Eddington

00:05:18 --> 00:05:20 limit from our episode 197 lead.

00:05:21 --> 00:05:22 It's the feeding rate at uh, which the

00:05:22 --> 00:05:25 outward push of radiation balances the

00:05:25 --> 00:05:28 inward pull of gravity. Go beyond it and in

00:05:28 --> 00:05:30 a simple picture, you'd blow your own food

00:05:30 --> 00:05:30 away.

00:05:30 --> 00:05:33 Anna: In a dense, dusty, gas choked

00:05:33 --> 00:05:36 merger, though, that simple picture breaks

00:05:36 --> 00:05:36 down.

00:05:37 --> 00:05:40 Radiation gets trapped and can't push the

00:05:40 --> 00:05:43 gas out as efficiently. So the black

00:05:43 --> 00:05:44 holes keep eating.

00:05:45 --> 00:05:47 Avery: And yet, despite growing that fast,

00:05:48 --> 00:05:50 both black holes already sit on the

00:05:50 --> 00:05:52 relationship we see in today's universe

00:05:53 --> 00:05:55 between a black hole's mass and the mass of

00:05:55 --> 00:05:58 its host galaxy. The local relation

00:05:58 --> 00:06:00 for massive elliptical galaxies.

00:06:01 --> 00:06:02 Within the uncertainties,

00:06:03 --> 00:06:05 Anna: that's the part I find genuinely striking.

00:06:06 --> 00:06:09 In nearby galaxies, the black hole in the

00:06:09 --> 00:06:11 galaxy seem to have grown in Lockstep.

00:06:12 --> 00:06:14 Nobody has been sure when that lockstep was

00:06:14 --> 00:06:15 established.

00:06:15 --> 00:06:18 Avery: Lid 1166 suggests it may be

00:06:18 --> 00:06:21 set early. During exactly this kind of

00:06:21 --> 00:06:24 rapid obscured merger driven growth,

00:06:24 --> 00:06:27 the two grew together inside the dust where

00:06:27 --> 00:06:28 we couldn't see.

00:06:28 --> 00:06:31 Anna: The team's own conclusion is that this points

00:06:31 --> 00:06:33 to a missing population,

00:06:34 --> 00:06:37 heavily obscured merger driven dual

00:06:37 --> 00:06:39 AGN at high redshift sitting in the

00:06:39 --> 00:06:42 gap our surveys have been leaving. It's worth

00:06:42 --> 00:06:44 picturing what happens next to a pair like

00:06:44 --> 00:06:47 this because it's a long road. At

00:06:47 --> 00:06:50 a separation of a, uh, kiloparsec or so,

00:06:50 --> 00:06:53 each black hole is still wrapped in the core

00:06:53 --> 00:06:54 of its own galaxy.

00:06:54 --> 00:06:57 Avery: As they move through the merged galaxy, stars

00:06:57 --> 00:07:00 and gas, they drag a, uh, wake behind them.

00:07:00 --> 00:07:03 That wake pulls back on them, a process

00:07:03 --> 00:07:04 called dynamical friction.

00:07:05 --> 00:07:07 And they spiral inwards over many millions of

00:07:07 --> 00:07:08 years,

00:07:08 --> 00:07:11 Anna: get down to a few parsecs and they become a

00:07:11 --> 00:07:14 bound pair, a true binary.

00:07:14 --> 00:07:16 From there they shed energy by flinging

00:07:16 --> 00:07:19 nearby stars away and by starring the

00:07:19 --> 00:07:20 gas around them.

00:07:21 --> 00:07:24 Avery: Only in the very last stage, when

00:07:24 --> 00:07:26 they're within a small fraction of a light

00:07:26 --> 00:07:28 year of each other, does gravitational

00:07:29 --> 00:07:31 radiation take over and drive them to

00:07:31 --> 00:07:32 merge.

00:07:33 --> 00:07:35 Anna: So LID 1166 is an early

00:07:35 --> 00:07:38 chapter, the ending comes much later,

00:07:38 --> 00:07:41 and it happens in gravitational waves rather

00:07:41 --> 00:07:41 than light.

00:07:42 --> 00:07:44 Avery: And there's a gravitational wave thread too.

00:07:45 --> 00:07:48 Pairs like this are the ancestors of the

00:07:48 --> 00:07:51 black hole binaries that eventually merge.

00:07:51 --> 00:07:54 Those mergers feed the background hum, um,

00:07:54 --> 00:07:56 that pulsar timing arrays are now picking up.

00:07:57 --> 00:08:00 And in the2030s, they're what Lisa is being

00:08:00 --> 00:08:01 built to hear directly.

00:08:01 --> 00:08:03 Anna: Echoes of our little red dot story from

00:08:03 --> 00:08:06 episode 197 and the Overmass of black

00:08:06 --> 00:08:09 holes E. Rosita found back in episode 188.

00:08:10 --> 00:08:12 The early universe keeps telling us its black

00:08:12 --> 00:08:14 holes grew faster and earlier than we

00:08:14 --> 00:08:16 assumed. This is one of the ways they may

00:08:16 --> 00:08:17 have done it.

00:08:18 --> 00:08:20 Avery: Three honest caveats. First, this is

00:08:20 --> 00:08:23 one system. One object can show a phase

00:08:23 --> 00:08:25 exists. It can't tell us how common that

00:08:25 --> 00:08:26 phase is.

00:08:26 --> 00:08:28 Anna: Second, the separation is

00:08:28 --> 00:08:31 projected. We see the pair on the

00:08:31 --> 00:08:34 sky in three dimensions. They could

00:08:34 --> 00:08:37 be somewhat farther apart, though not

00:08:37 --> 00:08:38 closer.

00:08:38 --> 00:08:41 Avery: And third, when this first appeared as a

00:08:41 --> 00:08:44 preprint, Ana Trindari Falcao at NASA

00:08:44 --> 00:08:46 Goddard, who wasn't involved, told Life

00:08:46 --> 00:08:49 Science the signal held up across several

00:08:49 --> 00:08:51 different ways of subtracting the light, but

00:08:51 --> 00:08:53 that a deeper follow up would be worthwhile

00:08:53 --> 00:08:56 to confirm two black holes rather than one

00:08:56 --> 00:08:57 plus leftover glow,

00:08:58 --> 00:09:01 Anna: which is a fair standard and a disclosure

00:09:01 --> 00:09:03 from us. The paper was posted as a

00:09:03 --> 00:09:06 preprint in July and got some coverage then.

00:09:07 --> 00:09:09 What's new is that it's now been through peer

00:09:09 --> 00:09:12 review and published in Nature Astronomy this

00:09:12 --> 00:09:12 week.

00:09:12 --> 00:09:15 Avery: One last detail. I like lid

00:09:15 --> 00:09:18 1166 sits in the Cosmos field,

00:09:18 --> 00:09:20 right on the celestial equator.

00:09:20 --> 00:09:23 Whether you're in Sydney or Seattle,

00:09:23 --> 00:09:26 it's in your sky. You just need a

00:09:26 --> 00:09:28 space telescope and a radio array in the

00:09:28 --> 00:09:29 Atacama to see what's in it.

00:09:31 --> 00:09:33 Anna: Speaking of telescopes, let's move on to our

00:09:33 --> 00:09:34 next story. Today,

00:09:35 --> 00:09:38 Avery: two telescopes, one enemy, the

00:09:38 --> 00:09:38 atmosphere.

00:09:39 --> 00:09:41 And this week both stories come to a head

00:09:42 --> 00:09:44 Anna: start with Swift. NASA's Neil Gehrel Swift

00:09:44 --> 00:09:47 Observatory ended operations on 20 October

00:09:48 --> 00:09:50 after sinking to about 275 kilometres.

00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 At that height it could no longer hold its

00:09:53 --> 00:09:55 attitude against drag and the team at Penn

00:09:55 --> 00:09:57 State sent the command that ended the

00:09:57 --> 00:09:58 mission.

00:09:58 --> 00:09:59 Avery: This is the thread that started with your

00:09:59 --> 00:10:02 messages through the contact form back in

00:10:02 --> 00:10:05 episode 187 when Link was trying to

00:10:05 --> 00:10:06 reach Swift and boost it.

00:10:06 --> 00:10:09 Link never latched on and re entered itself

00:10:09 --> 00:10:12 on the 25th of September. Swift went back to

00:10:12 --> 00:10:14 doing science, which raised its drag and the

00:10:14 --> 00:10:15 end came quickly.

00:10:15 --> 00:10:18 Anna: As of this weekend, it's still up there.

00:10:19 --> 00:10:21 The latest space track prediction is centred

00:10:21 --> 00:10:24 on early Wednesday 4th November UTC,

00:10:24 --> 00:10:27 but with a window of more than two weeks

00:10:27 --> 00:10:30 either side. The Aerospace Corporation

00:10:30 --> 00:10:32 has a similar central estimate with about a

00:10:32 --> 00:10:33 uh, day of uncertainty,

00:10:34 --> 00:10:37 Avery: which is normal. Re entry predictions only

00:10:37 --> 00:10:40 tighten in the last hours. Most of

00:10:40 --> 00:10:42 the roughly one and a half ton spacecraft is

00:10:42 --> 00:10:45 expected to burn up. Its orbit is tilted

00:10:45 --> 00:10:48 about 20 degrees to the equator, so the track

00:10:48 --> 00:10:51 stays over the tropics, including Australia's

00:10:51 --> 00:10:51 far north.

00:10:52 --> 00:10:53 Anna: Now Hubble.

00:10:54 --> 00:10:56 On 29 October, NASA issued a request

00:10:56 --> 00:10:59 for information asking industry what it could

00:10:59 --> 00:11:02 do 3 Boost

00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 Hubble to a higher orbit, service it to

00:11:05 --> 00:11:07 improve its capabilities or carry out a

00:11:07 --> 00:11:09 safe controlled reentry.

00:11:10 --> 00:11:12 Avery: Hubble has no propulsion of its own.

00:11:13 --> 00:11:16 NASA's analysis puts its likely reentry in

00:11:16 --> 00:11:18 the 2033-2034 timeframe,

00:11:19 --> 00:11:21 which means any mission would need to fly by

00:11:21 --> 00:11:22 2032.

00:11:22 --> 00:11:25 Anna: Administrator Jared Isaacman framed it as

00:11:25 --> 00:11:28 value for money. If there are cost effective

00:11:28 --> 00:11:31 ways to extend the life of an asset already

00:11:31 --> 00:11:33 in orbit, NASA owes it to taxpayers

00:11:33 --> 00:11:35 and scientists to look.

00:11:36 --> 00:11:39 Science chief Nikki Fox pointed to how fast

00:11:39 --> 00:11:41 commercial satellite capture and servicing

00:11:41 --> 00:11:42 has matured

00:11:42 --> 00:11:44 Avery: and to be clear about what this is and

00:11:44 --> 00:11:47 isn't, it's a request for information

00:11:48 --> 00:11:50 open until 30 November. It is not

00:11:50 --> 00:11:53 a contract and not a commitment to a

00:11:53 --> 00:11:53 mission.

00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 Anna: Zwift is the cautionary Tale sitting right

00:11:57 --> 00:11:59 next to it. A fast cheap commercial

00:11:59 --> 00:12:02 rescue was tried and it didn't connect.

00:12:03 --> 00:12:06 Hubble has years rather than months, which is

00:12:06 --> 00:12:08 exactly the margin Swift never had.

00:12:08 --> 00:12:11 Avery: Our next story is headlined Trojan

00:12:11 --> 00:12:13 Week. What's this all about?

00:12:14 --> 00:12:16 Anna: Every planet has two gravitational sweet

00:12:16 --> 00:12:19 spots on its own orbit 60 degrees ahead

00:12:19 --> 00:12:22 and 60 degrees behind the Lagrange

00:12:22 --> 00:12:24 points. L4 and L5.

00:12:25 --> 00:12:27 Asteroids that settle there travel with the

00:12:27 --> 00:12:30 planet for billions of years. We call them

00:12:30 --> 00:12:31 Trojans.

00:12:31 --> 00:12:34 Avery: And um, this week Trojans turn up at uh, both

00:12:34 --> 00:12:35 ends of the outer solar system.

00:12:36 --> 00:12:39 Anna: First Neptune. Neptune's Trojans

00:12:39 --> 00:12:41 lead and trail it around the sun.

00:12:41 --> 00:12:44 But the trailing cloud at L5 has been

00:12:44 --> 00:12:47 very hard to study because for more than a

00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 decade it has sat in front of the crowded

00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 starfields towards the centre of the Milky

00:12:51 --> 00:12:51 Way.

00:12:52 --> 00:12:55 Avery: Try picking out a faint moving dot against

00:12:55 --> 00:12:57 millions of background stars.

00:12:58 --> 00:13:00 Now that cloud is drifting out of the densest

00:13:00 --> 00:13:03 part of the sky. And Rubin Observatory,

00:13:03 --> 00:13:06 still in its early data, has gone looking.

00:13:06 --> 00:13:09 Anna: A UH Tim M led by Meg Schwab at Queen's

00:13:09 --> 00:13:11 University Belfast confirmed two objects

00:13:12 --> 00:13:14 2025 MH348 and

00:13:14 --> 00:13:17 2025NN80 as long

00:13:17 --> 00:13:20 lived trailing Trojans and added a third

00:13:20 --> 00:13:23 candidate, 2025 MD138.

00:13:23 --> 00:13:26 In Schwam's words, that doubles the number of

00:13:26 --> 00:13:28 known objects in this population on long

00:13:28 --> 00:13:29 lived orbits.

00:13:29 --> 00:13:32 Avery: Rubin's colour filters also suggest the

00:13:32 --> 00:13:34 leading and trailing Trojans have similar

00:13:34 --> 00:13:37 surfaces, which is a clue that both

00:13:37 --> 00:13:39 clouds were filled from the same population

00:13:40 --> 00:13:42 of primitive bodies early on. The

00:13:42 --> 00:13:44 paper is in the Astrophysical Journal

00:13:44 --> 00:13:45 Letters.

00:13:45 --> 00:13:47 Anna: Earlier modelling from the same group

00:13:47 --> 00:13:50 predicted Rubin's full survey could find

00:13:50 --> 00:13:53 somewhere around 130 to

00:13:53 --> 00:13:55 300 Neptune Trojans. These

00:13:55 --> 00:13:57 are the first steps of that.

00:13:57 --> 00:14:00 Avery: And here's the southern bonus

00:14:00 --> 00:14:03 tonight. Neptune's trailing L5

00:14:03 --> 00:14:06 point sits in Capricornis, about

00:14:06 --> 00:14:09 53 degrees up from Sydney. Once it's fully

00:14:09 --> 00:14:12 dark from Los Angeles it's about 34.

00:14:12 --> 00:14:15 New York, 28, London 18.

00:14:15 --> 00:14:18 Too faint for any backyard telescope, but

00:14:18 --> 00:14:20 it's right over our heads.

00:14:20 --> 00:14:23 Anna: Ben Jupiter. NASA's Lucy

00:14:23 --> 00:14:25 mission, launched in October 2021

00:14:26 --> 00:14:29 has travelled more than 2.2 billion

00:14:29 --> 00:14:31 miles and has now entered the region of

00:14:31 --> 00:14:34 Jupiter's leading Trojans, the first

00:14:34 --> 00:14:35 spacecraft ever to do so.

00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 Avery: The Trojans there are spread out

00:14:39 --> 00:14:41 more than 6 million miles apart on average,

00:14:42 --> 00:14:44 so for now they're just points of light

00:14:44 --> 00:14:47 moving against the stars. Lucy's

00:14:47 --> 00:14:50 first Trojan encounter with EuryBates is

00:14:50 --> 00:14:52 on 11 August 2027.

00:14:52 --> 00:14:55 Anna: Then Polymelli, Lucas and

00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 Oris through 2028, back

00:14:58 --> 00:15:01 past Earth in 2030 and over to the

00:15:01 --> 00:15:03 trailing swarm to visit the binary pair

00:15:03 --> 00:15:05 Patroclus and Manoechius in March

00:15:05 --> 00:15:06 2033.

00:15:07 --> 00:15:10 Avery: Two telescopes, two giant planets.

00:15:10 --> 00:15:13 One idea. Leftovers parked in

00:15:13 --> 00:15:16 gravitational safe harbours since the planets

00:15:16 --> 00:15:16 moved into place.

00:15:17 --> 00:15:20 Anna: Onto our next story, another one with an

00:15:20 --> 00:15:23 intriguing headline. Tracers where the

00:15:23 --> 00:15:25 solar wind gets in.

00:15:25 --> 00:15:28 Avery: When the solar wind hits Earth's magnetic

00:15:28 --> 00:15:30 field, most of it is turned aside.

00:15:31 --> 00:15:34 But where the sun's magnetic field lines meet

00:15:34 --> 00:15:36 ours, they can snap and reconnect

00:15:37 --> 00:15:39 and that opens a door. It's called

00:15:39 --> 00:15:42 magnetic reconnection and it's how solar

00:15:42 --> 00:15:43 energy gets into our space environment.

00:15:44 --> 00:15:47 Anna: Over each magnetic pole, there's a funnel

00:15:47 --> 00:15:49 shaped region called the polar cusp, where

00:15:49 --> 00:15:52 those particles pour straight down towards

00:15:52 --> 00:15:54 the upper atmosphere. NASA's

00:15:54 --> 00:15:57 Tracers mission flies two spacecraft,

00:15:57 --> 00:15:59 one behind the other, through the southern

00:15:59 --> 00:16:01 cusp several times a day.

00:16:01 --> 00:16:04 Avery: Why two? Because with one spacecraft

00:16:04 --> 00:16:07 you can't tell whether a change you see is

00:16:07 --> 00:16:10 happening in time, the process switching on

00:16:10 --> 00:16:12 and off, or in space, the process

00:16:12 --> 00:16:15 happening in a different place. The second

00:16:15 --> 00:16:17 spacecraft following the first through the

00:16:17 --> 00:16:18 same region breaks that tie.

00:16:19 --> 00:16:22 Anna: The first science paper is now out in the

00:16:22 --> 00:16:24 Journal of Geophysical Research Space

00:16:24 --> 00:16:27 Physics. Using the ion instruments on

00:16:27 --> 00:16:30 both satellites, the team finds that

00:16:30 --> 00:16:33 reconnection here looks largely spatial.

00:16:33 --> 00:16:36 What's changing is mostly where it's

00:16:36 --> 00:16:38 happening, not how it's evolving in time.

00:16:39 --> 00:16:41 Avery: Deputy Principal Investigator Stephen

00:16:41 --> 00:16:44 Fuselier at the Southwest Research Institute

00:16:44 --> 00:16:47 called it an important first step and

00:16:47 --> 00:16:49 NASA is careful to add that future

00:16:49 --> 00:16:51 measurements will need to confirm it.

00:16:51 --> 00:16:54 Anna: It's also a recovery story. One of

00:16:54 --> 00:16:57 the two satellites ran into trouble shortly

00:16:57 --> 00:17:00 after launch. In 2025, the team

00:17:00 --> 00:17:02 re established contact, got routine science

00:17:02 --> 00:17:05 going and in September, NASA, uh,

00:17:05 --> 00:17:08 extended the prime mission into spring 2027.

00:17:09 --> 00:17:12 Avery: And it pairs nicely with Saturday's lead on

00:17:12 --> 00:17:14 the May 2024 superstorm.

00:17:15 --> 00:17:17 That was what happens deep inside the

00:17:17 --> 00:17:19 magnetic field when the door's wide open.

00:17:20 --> 00:17:22 Traitors is watching the door itself.

00:17:23 --> 00:17:24 High over the far south

00:17:25 --> 00:17:26 Avery: now,

00:17:26 --> 00:17:27 Anna: a few quick ones.

00:17:27 --> 00:17:30 Avery: BepiColombo. The joint European and Japanese

00:17:30 --> 00:17:33 mission is now less than three weeks from

00:17:33 --> 00:17:36 Mercury. ESA has orbit insertion

00:17:36 --> 00:17:39 set for 21st November, with Japan's

00:17:39 --> 00:17:42 Mio orbiters separating around the 9th and

00:17:42 --> 00:17:45 10th of December. And routine science from

00:17:45 --> 00:17:46 April 2027.

00:17:47 --> 00:17:49 Anna: Starship Flight 15 is targeted for November,

00:17:49 --> 00:17:52 with SpaceX aiming to catch both the booster

00:17:52 --> 00:17:54 and the ship with the tower arms for the

00:17:54 --> 00:17:56 first time. No launch date has been published

00:17:56 --> 00:17:57 yet

00:17:58 --> 00:18:01 Avery: and Voyager 1 is closing in on a milestone.

00:18:01 --> 00:18:03 We've been Counting down to around the 18th

00:18:03 --> 00:18:06 of November. It'll be one light day from

00:18:06 --> 00:18:08 Earth. A radio signal sent from here will

00:18:08 --> 00:18:10 take a full 24 hours to reach it.

00:18:11 --> 00:18:14 Anna: Launched in 1977. Still

00:18:14 --> 00:18:14 talking

00:18:15 --> 00:18:18 Avery: now onto Skywatch and an honest note

00:18:18 --> 00:18:21 first. This fortnight the morning sky belongs

00:18:21 --> 00:18:23 to the north, and, um, we'll say so.

00:18:23 --> 00:18:25 But the south has the better evenings, so

00:18:25 --> 00:18:26 stay with us.

00:18:26 --> 00:18:29 Anna: Mars and Jupiter are in Leo before dawn and

00:18:29 --> 00:18:32 they're closing on the morning of the 16th of

00:18:32 --> 00:18:35 November. They'll be about 1.2 degrees apart,

00:18:35 --> 00:18:37 roughly two full moon widths.

00:18:38 --> 00:18:41 Jupiter is much the brighter around magnitude

00:18:41 --> 00:18:43 -2, with Mars A little dimmer orange

00:18:43 --> 00:18:44 point beside it.

00:18:45 --> 00:18:48 Avery: From Los Angeles and New York, the pear is

00:18:48 --> 00:18:51 more than 60 degrees up at first light from

00:18:51 --> 00:18:54 London, 53 from Sydney,

00:18:54 --> 00:18:56 about 30 degrees up in the northeast.

00:18:57 --> 00:18:59 Lower for us, but still clear of the trees.

00:19:00 --> 00:19:02 Anna: Venus is back in the morning sky

00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 after passing between us and the sun

00:19:06 --> 00:19:08 on the morning of the 7th. A, uh, 3%

00:19:08 --> 00:19:11 crescent moon sits about 4 degrees from

00:19:11 --> 00:19:14 it. And around the 10th, Venus

00:19:14 --> 00:19:17 passes just over a degree from Spica,

00:19:17 --> 00:19:18 the brightest star in Virgo.

00:19:19 --> 00:19:22 Avery: That's a low twilight event at civil

00:19:22 --> 00:19:22 dawn.

00:19:22 --> 00:19:25 Venus is around 12 degrees up from Los

00:19:25 --> 00:19:27 Angeles and New York, nine from London

00:19:28 --> 00:19:31 and only eight to 10 from Sydney. Find

00:19:31 --> 00:19:33 a clear eastern horizon and go out about half

00:19:33 --> 00:19:35 an hour before sunrise.

00:19:35 --> 00:19:38 Anna: Saturn is the evening planet. At

00:19:38 --> 00:19:41 dusk on Tuesday it's nearly 37

00:19:41 --> 00:19:43 degrees up from Sydney against

00:19:43 --> 00:19:46 22 from Los Angeles, 19

00:19:46 --> 00:19:49 from New York and 13 from

00:19:49 --> 00:19:51 London. Its rings are opening again

00:19:52 --> 00:19:54 and any small telescope will show them.

00:19:54 --> 00:19:57 Avery: Then the Moon gets out of the way. New Moon

00:19:57 --> 00:19:59 is on the 9th in the week either side.

00:19:59 --> 00:20:02 Southern Hemisphere observers can look west

00:20:02 --> 00:20:05 after dusk for the zodiacal light, a faint

00:20:05 --> 00:20:07 cone of sunlight scattered off dust in the

00:20:07 --> 00:20:10 plane of the planets. The south's false dusk

00:20:10 --> 00:20:12 in the north, it's a predawn object in the

00:20:12 --> 00:20:13 east.

00:20:13 --> 00:20:16 Anna: And while it's dark, look up into

00:20:16 --> 00:20:18 Capricornis high overhead from Australia.

00:20:20 --> 00:20:22 That's where Neptune's trailing Trojans are

00:20:22 --> 00:20:25 now, the ones Rubin is finding. You

00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 won't see them, but you'll know where they

00:20:27 --> 00:20:28 are.

00:20:28 --> 00:20:31 Avery: The Leonids peak on the night of the 17th

00:20:31 --> 00:20:34 into the 18th. The first quarter moon sets

00:20:34 --> 00:20:36 around midnight, so the pre dawn hours are

00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 dark. It's a modest shower, 10 to

00:20:39 --> 00:20:42 15 an hour from a dark site and a northern

00:20:42 --> 00:20:42 one.

00:20:43 --> 00:20:46 The radiant is about 70 degrees up at dawn

00:20:46 --> 00:20:48 from the US but only around 23

00:20:48 --> 00:20:51 from Sydney, so expect fewer.

00:20:51 --> 00:20:54 Anna: And the full moon on the 24th is a

00:20:54 --> 00:20:56 supermoon. The first since January.

00:20:57 --> 00:21:00 Avery: A standing remainder. Never look directly

00:21:00 --> 00:21:03 at the sun with your eyes, binoculars or a

00:21:03 --> 00:21:06 telescope unless you're using certified solar

00:21:06 --> 00:21:08 filters that meet the ISO

00:21:08 --> 00:21:10 123122 standard.

00:21:11 --> 00:21:13 That matters when you're hunting Venus close

00:21:13 --> 00:21:16 to sunrise. Stop looking before the sun comes

00:21:16 --> 00:21:16 up.

00:21:16 --> 00:21:19 Anna: That's the show. Two black holes growing

00:21:19 --> 00:21:21 up together behind the dust. A

00:21:21 --> 00:21:24 telescope's last week and another's

00:21:24 --> 00:21:25 request for help.

00:21:26 --> 00:21:29 Trojans at ah, Neptune and Jupiter and

00:21:29 --> 00:21:31 twin satellites at the edge of our magnetic

00:21:31 --> 00:21:32 field.

00:21:32 --> 00:21:34 Avery: If Swift comes down before tomorrow's show,

00:21:34 --> 00:21:36 we'll bring you the time and place as NASA

00:21:36 --> 00:21:38 and Space Force confirm them.

00:21:38 --> 00:21:41 Anna: Show notes, sources and the full blog are

00:21:41 --> 00:21:44 at astronomydaily IO and you can

00:21:44 --> 00:21:46 reach us through the contact form there. Your

00:21:46 --> 00:21:49 questions sent us chasing Swift in the first

00:21:49 --> 00:21:49 place.

00:21:50 --> 00:21:52 Avery: Find us@, uh, astrodailypod on social media.

00:21:53 --> 00:21:54 I'm Avery.

00:21:54 --> 00:21:57 Anna: And I'm Anna. Clear skies

00:21:57 --> 00:21:58 wherever you're looking up from.