The Great Attractor & Saturn’s Rings: Unravelling Cosmic Questions
Space Nuts: Exploring the CosmosNovember 02, 2026
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The Great Attractor & Saturn’s Rings: Unravelling Cosmic Questions

Space Nuts: The Great Attractor, What Makes a Moon, and Life Beneath the Rings
In this listener Q&A episode of Space Nuts, Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson tackle a curious collection of cosmic questions. They explain why a crescent Moon can appear alongside the Sun in the morning sky, then explore the Great Attractor: the enormous concentration of galaxy clusters influencing the motion of our Local Group. The conversation turns to a lingering classification puzzle — what exactly makes a moon a moon, and should it have to clear its orbit? Finally, they imagine the view from a rocky world with rings, considering how the rings might look through the seasons, how sunlight would filter through them and what spectacular shadows or eclipses might occur. Join Andrew and Fred Watson for astronomy, imagination and the occasional tractor joke.
Key topics
- Why the Sun and a crescent Moon can be visible together in the morning sky.
- The Great Attractor, the Zone of Avoidance and the Laniakea Supercluster.
- Whether moons need to be spherical or clear their orbits, and the case of Pluto and Charon.
- What a ringed planet might look like from its surface, including seasonal changes, shadows and eclipses.
Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction and overview of listener questions
01:20 - Why the Sun and crescent Moon can appear together in the morning
06:00 - Moon phases and how sunlight illuminates the Moon
09:30 - Paul’s question about the Great Attractor
11:00 - The Zone of Avoidance and the Laniakea Supercluster
16:00 - What defines a moon, and should it clear its orbit?
20:00 - Binary planets, Pluto and Charon
23:00 - What it might look like to stand beneath a planet’s rings
26:00 - Seasonal ring illumination, shadows and possible eclipses
30:00 - Listener feedback, updates and closing remarks

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00:00:00 --> 00:00:02 Andrew Dunkley: G'. Day. Thanks for joining us again on Space

00:00:02 --> 00:00:04 Nuts. My name is Andrew Dunkley, your host.

00:00:04 --> 00:00:05 I, uh, hope you're well.

00:00:06 --> 00:00:08 Coming up in a Q and A episode, we're going

00:00:08 --> 00:00:11 to be looking at the sun and the

00:00:11 --> 00:00:13 moon. Uh, a little bit of confusion going on

00:00:13 --> 00:00:16 there. It's all about the angles, I

00:00:16 --> 00:00:19 think. Uh, we're also going to, uh,

00:00:19 --> 00:00:21 see if we can tackle a question about the

00:00:21 --> 00:00:23 Great Attractor. Uh, is it John

00:00:23 --> 00:00:26 Deere or Massey Ferguson? Oh, I don't know.

00:00:27 --> 00:00:29 Uh, we're also, um, we've had

00:00:29 --> 00:00:31 this question question before, but I think

00:00:31 --> 00:00:33 this is sort of a follow up question on

00:00:33 --> 00:00:36 redefining a moon. What, you know,

00:00:36 --> 00:00:39 what defines a moon? And what do you take

00:00:39 --> 00:00:41 into account to define a moon?

00:00:41 --> 00:00:44 And finally, uh, an interesting question from

00:00:44 --> 00:00:46 someone who has a friend who's writing a

00:00:46 --> 00:00:48 graphic novel which is also science fiction

00:00:48 --> 00:00:51 and it's set on a planet that's got rings.

00:00:51 --> 00:00:54 And she's wondering about the rings. What do

00:00:54 --> 00:00:56 you see when you're standing on the planet

00:00:56 --> 00:00:57 looking up at them and how do they act and

00:00:57 --> 00:00:59 what do they do? And uh, can you put it on

00:00:59 --> 00:01:01 your finger and is it worth anything? That's

00:01:01 --> 00:01:04 all coming up on this edition of space

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00:01:21 --> 00:01:24 Andrew Dunkley: Joining us again as he thunders away on

00:01:24 --> 00:01:26 his keyboard to try and answer all these

00:01:26 --> 00:01:28 questions because he's so well prepared is

00:01:28 --> 00:01:30 Professor Fred Watson Watson, astronomer lad.

00:01:30 --> 00:01:31 Hello, Fred Watson.

00:01:31 --> 00:01:33 Professor Fred Watson: I'm just writing the email I should have sent

00:01:33 --> 00:01:34 before we, uh, started.

00:01:36 --> 00:01:36 Yes,

00:01:36 --> 00:01:38 Andrew Dunkley: uh, I can wait.

00:01:39 --> 00:01:41 Professor Fred Watson: It's okay. It's fine.

00:01:41 --> 00:01:44 Andrew Dunkley: It's only 500 words. Um,

00:01:44 --> 00:01:46 shall we get straight into it and see if we

00:01:46 --> 00:01:48 can solve some of these puzzles from people?

00:01:48 --> 00:01:49 Professor Fred Watson: Yeah, yeah. I think

00:01:49 --> 00:01:52 Andrew Dunkley: Justin has sent in a question. I don't know

00:01:52 --> 00:01:54 where Justin's from. Um, probably from his

00:01:54 --> 00:01:57 house. Uh, I was at work the other morning

00:01:57 --> 00:01:59 and the sun and the moon were both in the

00:01:59 --> 00:02:02 eastern sky, yet it was a

00:02:02 --> 00:02:05 crescent moon, the same moon as the night

00:02:05 --> 00:02:07 before. How is this possible?

00:02:08 --> 00:02:10 That's a good question because I've often

00:02:10 --> 00:02:12 wondered the same thing. I'll look up and go,

00:02:12 --> 00:02:15 hang on a minute. Moon's

00:02:15 --> 00:02:18 there, sun's there. It

00:02:18 --> 00:02:21 doesn't look right. I know

00:02:21 --> 00:02:22 where he's coming from. I don't know the

00:02:22 --> 00:02:25 answer. I think it's got everything to do

00:02:25 --> 00:02:28 with angles and distances and that

00:02:28 --> 00:02:28 sort of.

00:02:28 --> 00:02:30 Professor Fred Watson: It does. It's actually got a little bit More

00:02:30 --> 00:02:33 than that, I don't know where Justin is.

00:02:33 --> 00:02:34 Um,

00:02:34 --> 00:02:36 Andrew Dunkley: he's on Earth, for

00:02:36 --> 00:02:37 starters.

00:02:37 --> 00:02:39 Professor Fred Watson: So he's on Earth, so that narrows it down

00:02:39 --> 00:02:39 quite a bit.

00:02:39 --> 00:02:41 Andrew Dunkley: I'm going to guess Northern Hemisphere,

00:02:41 --> 00:02:42 although, um,

00:02:43 --> 00:02:44 Professor Fred Watson: yeah, I've

00:02:44 --> 00:02:46 Andrew Dunkley: got a 50 chance of being right. Actually,

00:02:46 --> 00:02:47 it's more than that because more people live

00:02:47 --> 00:02:49 in the Northern hemisphere.

00:02:49 --> 00:02:51 Professor Fred Watson: Yes, that's right. Um, and it

00:02:51 --> 00:02:54 depends a bit on your latitude as well. Uh,

00:02:54 --> 00:02:57 but so let me answer that as if Justin's

00:02:57 --> 00:02:59 in Australia, um, because

00:03:00 --> 00:03:02 one of the things I was going to say was we

00:03:02 --> 00:03:04 have pretty clear skies. We have very high

00:03:04 --> 00:03:07 atmospheric transparency here, and that

00:03:07 --> 00:03:09 helps in this sort of situation.

00:03:10 --> 00:03:13 Um, so, uh, yeah, so what you're looking

00:03:13 --> 00:03:15 at is, uh, after

00:03:15 --> 00:03:18 sunset, um, when the Moon is

00:03:18 --> 00:03:21 in its crescent phase, the sun goes down,

00:03:21 --> 00:03:24 uh, and the crescent Moon is very

00:03:24 --> 00:03:26 obvious, um, basically

00:03:27 --> 00:03:30 in the western sky, and it follows the sun

00:03:30 --> 00:03:33 down. Uh, as the sun sets, the moon

00:03:33 --> 00:03:36 sets not very long afterwards. So,

00:03:36 --> 00:03:39 um, in the morning, it's the same sort

00:03:39 --> 00:03:41 of thing, but in reverse. The sun rises,

00:03:42 --> 00:03:44 but the crescent Moon is still about the same

00:03:44 --> 00:03:47 angular distance from the sun.

00:03:48 --> 00:03:50 Uh, you know, you can say, well, if it was,

00:03:50 --> 00:03:53 for example, 45 degrees or 40 degrees or

00:03:53 --> 00:03:56 something like that, um, it would be still

00:03:56 --> 00:03:59 about that little bit more, perhaps. Um,

00:03:59 --> 00:04:01 or. I beg your pardon, a little bit, uh,

00:04:01 --> 00:04:04 yeah, a little bit more. Um, as

00:04:04 --> 00:04:05 it, uh,

00:04:07 --> 00:04:09 because you're talking about a new moon, uh,

00:04:09 --> 00:04:11 the crescent moon is going to swell to become

00:04:11 --> 00:04:13 a first quarter moon, and that means its

00:04:13 --> 00:04:16 distance from the sun is getting bigger in

00:04:16 --> 00:04:18 angular terms. So forget about that bit. But

00:04:18 --> 00:04:20 the bottom line is it's not that much

00:04:20 --> 00:04:23 different, uh, in the morning sky. So

00:04:23 --> 00:04:26 what happens is the sun rises and then

00:04:26 --> 00:04:28 the moon rises after it. If it's, say, 40

00:04:28 --> 00:04:31 degrees away, it will rise later.

00:04:31 --> 00:04:34 Uh, and so you'll be able to see the two of

00:04:34 --> 00:04:37 them in the sky looking very similar to what

00:04:37 --> 00:04:38 they looked the previous night, except

00:04:38 --> 00:04:41 they're the other way around. The sun's

00:04:41 --> 00:04:43 higher in the sky than the moon is. And then

00:04:43 --> 00:04:45 as the two of them progress their way through

00:04:45 --> 00:04:47 the sky during the day, the sun eventually

00:04:47 --> 00:04:50 will set and the Moon, the crescent moon,

00:04:50 --> 00:04:52 will follow it. That's the

00:04:52 --> 00:04:54 answer. I'm not sure whether I've, uh,

00:04:54 --> 00:04:56 expressed it very well, but that's the bottom

00:04:56 --> 00:04:57 line.

00:04:57 --> 00:05:00 Andrew Dunkley: No, I get that. Um, but again,

00:05:04 --> 00:05:06 I still struggle to get my head around

00:05:07 --> 00:05:10 the light source that's illuminating the

00:05:10 --> 00:05:13 Moon. And the way it looks to us from our

00:05:13 --> 00:05:15 perspective sometimes just

00:05:16 --> 00:05:19 doesn't make sense to me. And I think

00:05:19 --> 00:05:21 that's where Justin was coming from too. I

00:05:21 --> 00:05:21 just,

00:05:22 --> 00:05:22 Professor Fred Watson: yeah,

00:05:23 --> 00:05:25 Andrew Dunkley: I try to, try to understand, try to think in

00:05:25 --> 00:05:27 my mind, okay, where is the sun right now and

00:05:27 --> 00:05:30 why? Yeah, sometimes it's obvious. Other

00:05:30 --> 00:05:33 times I think that just doesn't seem right.

00:05:33 --> 00:05:36 Professor Fred Watson: M. I think it's probably most obvious when

00:05:36 --> 00:05:38 it's at first or last quarter because then

00:05:39 --> 00:05:40 it's basically half.

00:05:42 --> 00:05:44 Half the moon is always being illuminated.

00:05:44 --> 00:05:47 What changes is how much of that half moon we

00:05:47 --> 00:05:49 can see. Uh, and at new moon you can't see

00:05:49 --> 00:05:52 any of it because it's all on the sunward

00:05:52 --> 00:05:55 side, uh, of the moon.

00:05:56 --> 00:05:58 Uh, but as the moon moves through its orbit,

00:05:58 --> 00:06:00 you see more and more of the illuminated side

00:06:01 --> 00:06:02 till it's a half moon and then it turns into

00:06:02 --> 00:06:05 a gibbous moon. More than a half moon, uh,

00:06:05 --> 00:06:08 as it sort of goes around in its orbit. Um,

00:06:08 --> 00:06:11 in some ways it's maybe best

00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 illustrated by, by a model. Um,

00:06:14 --> 00:06:16 and often people hold up a tennis ball and

00:06:16 --> 00:06:19 sort of show how, how it's lit up by a lamp

00:06:19 --> 00:06:21 or the sun or whatever. And you can sort of

00:06:21 --> 00:06:24 imagine how the phases change as we

00:06:24 --> 00:06:25 see the moon.

00:06:26 --> 00:06:28 Andrew Dunkley: Gibbous moon. Where did that name come from?

00:06:29 --> 00:06:31 Professor Fred Watson: Gibbous means, uh, fat.

00:06:31 --> 00:06:32 Andrew Dunkley: Oh,

00:06:33 --> 00:06:33 Professor Fred Watson: yep,

00:06:33 --> 00:06:34 Andrew Dunkley: right.

00:06:34 --> 00:06:35 Professor Fred Watson: That's where it came from.

00:06:36 --> 00:06:38 Andrew Dunkley: I saw a gibbons moon once at the zoo. It

00:06:38 --> 00:06:40 wasn't pretty. Anyway.

00:06:40 --> 00:06:43 Professor Fred Watson: Gibbon's moon is just a bit different from a

00:06:43 --> 00:06:43 gibbous moon.

00:06:43 --> 00:06:46 Andrew Dunkley: Ye, definitely not pretty at all.

00:06:47 --> 00:06:49 Hope, uh, that answered your question,

00:06:49 --> 00:06:51 Justin. And thanks for sending us in.

00:06:51 --> 00:06:53 Sending it into us is what I meant to say.

00:06:54 --> 00:06:57 Um, this is Space Nuts with Andrew

00:06:57 --> 00:06:58 Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson Watson.

00:06:58 --> 00:07:00 We'll go straight on to our next question.

00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 It's an audio question. M this one comes from

00:07:02 --> 00:07:03 Paul.

00:07:03 --> 00:07:06 Paul: Hello there. My name is Paul and I'm from

00:07:06 --> 00:07:09 Salt Lake City, Utah. Been listening to the

00:07:09 --> 00:07:12 show for as long as it's been out.

00:07:12 --> 00:07:15 The one thing that I don't hear often on the

00:07:15 --> 00:07:18 show and would love an explanation on

00:07:19 --> 00:07:21 is the Great Attractor. Is there

00:07:21 --> 00:07:24 anything in particular that we do know about

00:07:24 --> 00:07:26 it? If so, what is it?

00:07:27 --> 00:07:30 I love the show so much, Mr.

00:07:30 --> 00:07:32 Dunkley. Professor Fred Watson Watson,

00:07:32 --> 00:07:35 astronomer at large. What do you care? So

00:07:35 --> 00:07:38 much. Thank you for taking the time. Bye bye.

00:07:39 --> 00:07:41 Andrew Dunkley: Thank you, Paul. Hope all is well in Utah as

00:07:41 --> 00:07:44 things start to freeze over. I think it's uh,

00:07:44 --> 00:07:46 a. It's a pretty cold state that one, isn't

00:07:46 --> 00:07:48 it? Utah in, in the winter. Just about

00:07:48 --> 00:07:50 everything's cold in the northern hemisphere

00:07:50 --> 00:07:53 in, in winter. On our recent trip

00:07:53 --> 00:07:56 to the the Balkans, it's going

00:07:56 --> 00:07:58 into, um, into winter. They're in mid autumn

00:07:59 --> 00:08:02 at the moment. And, um, yeah, we had a couple

00:08:02 --> 00:08:04 of pretty chilly days and I noticed snow

00:08:04 --> 00:08:06 already on the mountains in, in

00:08:06 --> 00:08:09 Bulgaria, so. Yeah, but we

00:08:09 --> 00:08:11 were ready for it. No, we weren't. We're

00:08:11 --> 00:08:14 Australian. We hate the cold. Um, the

00:08:14 --> 00:08:16 Great Attractor. I can tell you, Paul, that

00:08:16 --> 00:08:18 it's great and it's an attractor, and that's

00:08:18 --> 00:08:20 about as much as. I know.

00:08:21 --> 00:08:23 Professor Fred Watson: I thought it was the John Deere or the

00:08:23 --> 00:08:24 massive Massey

00:08:24 --> 00:08:27 Andrew Dunkley: Ferguson. Yeah, the John Deere, I think.

00:08:27 --> 00:08:27 Yeah.

00:08:28 --> 00:08:29 Professor Fred Watson: So what is it?

00:08:30 --> 00:08:32 It's. It's something that, um, it goes back

00:08:32 --> 00:08:35 to, I guess, the 1980s, when

00:08:35 --> 00:08:38 people first started, uh,

00:08:38 --> 00:08:40 looking at the Great Attractor.

00:08:40 --> 00:08:42 Um, uh,

00:08:42 --> 00:08:44 it's basically,

00:08:46 --> 00:08:48 um, uh, something

00:08:48 --> 00:08:50 massive in the universe,

00:08:51 --> 00:08:53 in our local universe, not very far away,

00:08:53 --> 00:08:56 maybe 250 million light years away. And that

00:08:56 --> 00:08:58 in galactic terms is relatively

00:08:59 --> 00:09:02 close by. Um, and it

00:09:03 --> 00:09:05 basically pulls on our

00:09:05 --> 00:09:08 galaxy and our companion galaxies, which

00:09:08 --> 00:09:11 are known as the Local Group. So, uh,

00:09:11 --> 00:09:14 we are heading to the Great

00:09:14 --> 00:09:17 Attractor at, uh, a speed in the region

00:09:17 --> 00:09:20 of 600 kilometres per second. It's pulling us

00:09:20 --> 00:09:22 towards it. Uh, now we

00:09:22 --> 00:09:25 will actually never get there because

00:09:25 --> 00:09:28 eventually the expansion

00:09:28 --> 00:09:30 of the universe will overcome that. 600

00:09:30 --> 00:09:32 kilometres per per second.

00:09:32 --> 00:09:34 Andrew Dunkley: I thought of that just as you said it.

00:09:34 --> 00:09:36 Professor Fred Watson: Yeah. So that. So the

00:09:36 --> 00:09:36 Andrew Dunkley: most. I did.

00:09:37 --> 00:09:40 Professor Fred Watson: Oh, good. Yeah, you should

00:09:40 --> 00:09:40 have said it.

00:09:41 --> 00:09:42 Andrew Dunkley: No, I knew you would.

00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 Professor Fred Watson: Yeah. So it's never gonna.

00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 There's never going to be a collision.

00:09:48 --> 00:09:51 Um, the reason why it's mysterious is

00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 its direction. It's in the plane of the

00:09:53 --> 00:09:55 Milky Way, what we call the zone of

00:09:55 --> 00:09:58 avoidance. That, uh, goes back before we knew

00:09:58 --> 00:10:00 that galaxies were galaxies. The zone of

00:10:00 --> 00:10:02 avoidance was the region around the Milky Way

00:10:02 --> 00:10:04 where you don't see any galaxies. And that's

00:10:04 --> 00:10:07 because the dust in the Milky Way blocks our

00:10:07 --> 00:10:09 view towards them. So,

00:10:09 --> 00:10:12 um, um, it's in the plane of the Milky

00:10:12 --> 00:10:14 Way. That means we're sort of. If you think

00:10:14 --> 00:10:16 of, uh, our sun and planets

00:10:17 --> 00:10:19 sitting in the disc, the spiral disc of the

00:10:19 --> 00:10:22 Milky Way, and then imagine looking at

00:10:22 --> 00:10:24 something that's on the other side of that

00:10:24 --> 00:10:26 disc, which is what the Great Attractor is,

00:10:26 --> 00:10:28 you realise that you're never going to see

00:10:28 --> 00:10:31 it. With visible light telescopes you can.

00:10:31 --> 00:10:34 With radio telescopes, though, and, uh,

00:10:34 --> 00:10:36 and infrared telescopes, you can penetrate

00:10:36 --> 00:10:39 some of this dust. So, uh, what we

00:10:39 --> 00:10:42 know is that there is a

00:10:42 --> 00:10:44 huge amount of

00:10:45 --> 00:10:48 solar mass there. Um,

00:10:48 --> 00:10:51 it'll be both visible and dark matter, which

00:10:51 --> 00:10:54 is probably not one, but

00:10:54 --> 00:10:57 a whole lot of cluster of

00:10:57 --> 00:11:00 Clusters of galaxies. And sometimes

00:11:00 --> 00:11:02 it's called a supercluster when you've got a

00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 cluster of clusters. Uh, and in fact,

00:11:05 --> 00:11:08 this particular one has a name, even though

00:11:08 --> 00:11:10 we can't see most of it because it's in the

00:11:10 --> 00:11:11 zone of avoidance.

00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 Uh, it's called the Laniakea

00:11:14 --> 00:11:17 Supercluster. Um, and it's

00:11:17 --> 00:11:20 basically pulling our, uh, Milky Way

00:11:20 --> 00:11:23 and many, many other galaxies, uh,

00:11:24 --> 00:11:26 in our Local Group and others towards it,

00:11:27 --> 00:11:29 um, towards the Great Attractor, which is how

00:11:29 --> 00:11:31 it got its name. But as I said, we'll never

00:11:31 --> 00:11:33 collide with it because the expansion of the

00:11:33 --> 00:11:35 universe will eventually overcome that,

00:11:36 --> 00:11:39 um, mad dash towards each other. Uh,

00:11:39 --> 00:11:42 so, yeah, so people are still, um, using,

00:11:42 --> 00:11:45 well, x ray telescopes, uh, radio and

00:11:45 --> 00:11:48 infrared surveys, as I mentioned before, to

00:11:48 --> 00:11:51 look at the structures, um, which

00:11:51 --> 00:11:54 exist within this. And we can identify

00:11:55 --> 00:11:57 not just the Great Attractor itself, but the,

00:11:57 --> 00:12:00 the clusters of galaxies that sit within it.

00:12:00 --> 00:12:02 Because the Great Attractor is a cluster of

00:12:02 --> 00:12:04 clusters. And so we can see these

00:12:04 --> 00:12:07 individual clusters now. Um,

00:12:07 --> 00:12:10 it's. Yes, it's really quite remarkable that

00:12:10 --> 00:12:13 this object is there.

00:12:13 --> 00:12:15 We don't talk about it that much because

00:12:15 --> 00:12:17 there's just a few scientists who are

00:12:18 --> 00:12:20 studying that cluster of clusters.

00:12:21 --> 00:12:24 But, um, it's not anything that in

00:12:24 --> 00:12:26 a. You know, it's not one of the big

00:12:26 --> 00:12:27 mysteries of the universe, if I can put it

00:12:27 --> 00:12:30 that way. Which is why Space Nuts doesn't

00:12:30 --> 00:12:31 talk about it all that often.

00:12:32 --> 00:12:34 Andrew Dunkley: Although we have, we have, we have done a

00:12:34 --> 00:12:35 couple of times in the past.

00:12:37 --> 00:12:40 Professor Fred Watson: Yeah, there's a number of YouTube

00:12:40 --> 00:12:42 videos, um, that talk about it.

00:12:42 --> 00:12:45 So, um, you know, Paul might usefully

00:12:45 --> 00:12:47 get online and just have a look at some of

00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 these YouTube videos that will probably give

00:12:49 --> 00:12:52 you a much more succinct, uh, answer

00:12:52 --> 00:12:54 than the adequate one that you've just had.

00:12:54 --> 00:12:54 Ah.

00:12:54 --> 00:12:57 Andrew Dunkley: Or. Or Paul can

00:12:57 --> 00:12:59 go to where I've just gone

00:12:59 --> 00:13:01 Amazon.com and he can

00:13:01 --> 00:13:04 buy a copy of the Great Book of Tractors,

00:13:06 --> 00:13:08 which, which includes

00:13:09 --> 00:13:11 John Deere, Caterpillar, Massey Ferguson

00:13:11 --> 00:13:14 International. I'm not joking.

00:13:14 --> 00:13:15 Professor Fred Watson: Yeah,

00:13:15 --> 00:13:17 Andrew Dunkley: I'm not joking. There is such a book.

00:13:18 --> 00:13:21 So, um, that might not answer his question,

00:13:22 --> 00:13:24 but at least he'd know which. And, you know,

00:13:24 --> 00:13:27 they have a Tractor of the Month thing

00:13:27 --> 00:13:30 as well. And this greater tractor

00:13:30 --> 00:13:31 has never won that.

00:13:31 --> 00:13:33 Professor Fred Watson: No, we should have a greater Tractor of the

00:13:33 --> 00:13:34 Month, really.

00:13:34 --> 00:13:35 Andrew Dunkley: Yes, we should.

00:13:35 --> 00:13:37 Professor Fred Watson: Uh, in Astronomy.

00:13:37 --> 00:13:37 Andrew Dunkley: Yeah.

00:13:37 --> 00:13:38 Professor Fred Watson: Yep,

00:13:38 --> 00:13:40 Andrew Dunkley: there it is. Um, thank you, Paul. Great

00:13:40 --> 00:13:42 question. Lovely to hear from you. Hope you

00:13:42 --> 00:13:45 can stay warm in Utah in the coming months.

00:13:45 --> 00:13:47 This is Space Nuts with Andrew Dunkley

00:13:48 --> 00:13:49 and Professor Fred Watson Watson.

00:13:51 --> 00:13:53 Speaker G: I believe that this nation should commit

00:13:53 --> 00:13:55 itself to achieving the goal

00:13:56 --> 00:13:59 before this decade is out, of landing a

00:13:59 --> 00:14:01 man on the moon and returning him safely to

00:14:01 --> 00:14:03 the Earth. These nuts.

00:14:04 --> 00:14:06 Andrew Dunkley: I'm actually so glad that Paul asked that

00:14:06 --> 00:14:09 question because it's been way too long since

00:14:09 --> 00:14:11 I did the Great Attractor joke and I,

00:14:12 --> 00:14:13 I really love that one.

00:14:13 --> 00:14:16 Yeah. Our next question, Fred Watson,

00:14:16 --> 00:14:19 comes from Bob. Um, you put

00:14:19 --> 00:14:21 no limit on the size of a moon.

00:14:22 --> 00:14:25 Considering the billions to trillions of

00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 Saturn's ring particles, do we

00:14:28 --> 00:14:30 need to add has cleared its

00:14:30 --> 00:14:33 orbit to our definition of a

00:14:33 --> 00:14:36 moon. Now, we've had a few questions

00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 recently, and maybe Bob asked one before

00:14:38 --> 00:14:41 about defining a moon when, you know, when

00:14:41 --> 00:14:44 does a moon become a moon by our definition?

00:14:44 --> 00:14:46 Uh, and now he's sort of another little

00:14:46 --> 00:14:48 tricky point to throw into the mix.

00:14:50 --> 00:14:52 Professor Fred Watson: Um, yeah, except that there are

00:14:52 --> 00:14:55 objects which we definitely accept as moons

00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 which are embedded in the, in the rings

00:14:58 --> 00:15:01 of Saturn. M so, and in fact,

00:15:01 --> 00:15:04 to some extent shepherd the rings of Saturn,

00:15:04 --> 00:15:06 if I can put it that way, gravitationally

00:15:06 --> 00:15:08 keep them in the right spot. Um, so,

00:15:08 --> 00:15:11 uh, I do like the idea though, Bob's idea,

00:15:11 --> 00:15:14 which comes from our, ah, definition of a

00:15:14 --> 00:15:16 planet. A planet is an object that's orbiting

00:15:16 --> 00:15:18 the, um, sun. In the case of solar system

00:15:18 --> 00:15:21 planets, it's orbiting the sun. It's big

00:15:21 --> 00:15:23 enough for its own gravity to pull it into a

00:15:23 --> 00:15:25 spherical shape and it's cleared

00:15:25 --> 00:15:28 the area around it of

00:15:28 --> 00:15:30 debris. So it's become the most

00:15:30 --> 00:15:33 gravitationally dominant object within

00:15:33 --> 00:15:36 that region. And I don't think you can

00:15:36 --> 00:15:39 say that about the little moons

00:15:39 --> 00:15:41 of Saturn that are embedded in the rings,

00:15:41 --> 00:15:43 even though they probably are the most

00:15:43 --> 00:15:45 dominant gravitational objects, because they

00:15:45 --> 00:15:48 do shepherd the rings. Um, but it's a

00:15:48 --> 00:15:50 good point. You know, it's embarrassing that

00:15:50 --> 00:15:53 we don't have a lower limit, uh,

00:15:53 --> 00:15:56 for, for what,

00:15:56 --> 00:15:57 what counts as a moon.

00:15:59 --> 00:16:01 Andrew Dunkley: In which case you could question the

00:16:01 --> 00:16:04 authenticity of Phobos and

00:16:04 --> 00:16:05 Demos. Maybe.

00:16:06 --> 00:16:09 Professor Fred Watson: Yeah, well, um, maybe

00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 Andrew Dunkley: we find out, as we spoke about it in the last

00:16:11 --> 00:16:14 episode, if we find out with this new

00:16:14 --> 00:16:16 mission that

00:16:17 --> 00:16:19 they're asteroids.

00:16:20 --> 00:16:21 Professor Fred Watson: That's right. Captured asteroids.

00:16:22 --> 00:16:23 Um, yes.

00:16:25 --> 00:16:28 Look, it's, it's,

00:16:28 --> 00:16:30 it's, you know,

00:16:32 --> 00:16:34 basically it's a, it's a, it's an open

00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 question. Um, I'm just looking at a nice

00:16:37 --> 00:16:39 little piece here from the National Air and

00:16:39 --> 00:16:42 Space Museum. What makes a moon a moon? A

00:16:42 --> 00:16:43 moon is a planetary body that goes around

00:16:43 --> 00:16:46 another planetary body. Usually this is one,

00:16:46 --> 00:16:48 or usually this is one or more moons going

00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 around a planet. But it doesn't have to be a

00:16:50 --> 00:16:53 planet. But once again, nobody

00:16:53 --> 00:16:55 bothers defining, uh, what a

00:16:55 --> 00:16:58 small. You know, what the size limit is.

00:16:58 --> 00:16:59 Andrew Dunkley: Yeah.

00:17:00 --> 00:17:02 Professor Fred Watson: So, yeah, interesting stuff. We, we need to

00:17:02 --> 00:17:03 get that sorted out, I think. But

00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 Andrew Dunkley: we don't put a size limit on planets, do we?

00:17:07 --> 00:17:10 Professor Fred Watson: No, we don't. Uh, in terms of, uh.

00:17:10 --> 00:17:13 Yes. So m. Like. Yeah, exactly. So Mercury is

00:17:13 --> 00:17:14 clearly a planet, even though it's actually

00:17:14 --> 00:17:17 smaller than some of the moons of the other

00:17:17 --> 00:17:20 of the gas giants, smaller than Ganymede and

00:17:20 --> 00:17:22 smaller than Titan. But it's still a planet

00:17:22 --> 00:17:24 because it's the only object in that region

00:17:24 --> 00:17:26 of the solar system and it is spher.

00:17:27 --> 00:17:30 Andrew Dunkley: What if you had two objects

00:17:31 --> 00:17:32 orbiting each other,

00:17:33 --> 00:17:34 like two Earths? Uh,

00:17:35 --> 00:17:35 Professor Fred Watson: yeah.

00:17:37 --> 00:17:39 Andrew Dunkley: Would you define them both as planets or. One

00:17:39 --> 00:17:40 would have to be a moon.

00:17:41 --> 00:17:43 Professor Fred Watson: So there is a definition there. Uh,

00:17:44 --> 00:17:46 if their centre of mass,

00:17:46 --> 00:17:48 um, in other words, something we call the

00:17:48 --> 00:17:51 barycenter, the centre of gravity of the two,

00:17:51 --> 00:17:54 if it's outside of both

00:17:54 --> 00:17:57 of them, in other words, they're kind

00:17:57 --> 00:17:59 of orbiting around a common centre of mass,

00:18:00 --> 00:18:03 then what you've got is a binary planet.

00:18:04 --> 00:18:06 Uh, it's not a planet and a moon.

00:18:06 --> 00:18:08 Um, you've got a binary planet and

00:18:08 --> 00:18:11 technically that's what Pluto is. Pluto and

00:18:11 --> 00:18:14 its moon, Charon, uh, which

00:18:14 --> 00:18:17 is the centre of mass, is actually outside

00:18:17 --> 00:18:19 the body of Pluto. Yeah. So

00:18:20 --> 00:18:22 Pluto and Charon really should be considered

00:18:22 --> 00:18:25 a binary dwarf planet because they're both

00:18:25 --> 00:18:27 spherical and. Yeah,

00:18:27 --> 00:18:30 Andrew Dunkley: they are. Ah. And that makes me wonder why

00:18:30 --> 00:18:33 we don't consider the shape

00:18:34 --> 00:18:37 when defining a moon too. I mean, should it.

00:18:37 --> 00:18:40 Um. Maybe I'm just being idealistic, but

00:18:40 --> 00:18:41 shouldn't it be spherical?

00:18:42 --> 00:18:45 Professor Fred Watson: Um, well, that would rule out Phobos and

00:18:45 --> 00:18:45 Deimos.

00:18:45 --> 00:18:46 Andrew Dunkley: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:18:46 --> 00:18:49 Professor Fred Watson: And it would rule out, you know, probably

00:18:49 --> 00:18:52 200, 250 of the moons of Saturn. Um,

00:18:52 --> 00:18:54 I think 297. That's

00:18:54 --> 00:18:55 Andrew Dunkley: just greed.

00:18:58 --> 00:19:00 Professor Fred Watson: Um, yeah, Saturn's very replete with moons,

00:19:00 --> 00:19:03 but most of them are odd shapes. Some of them

00:19:03 --> 00:19:06 are very interesting indeed. Um,

00:19:06 --> 00:19:09 yeah, so, um. But yes, there's a loose

00:19:09 --> 00:19:11 end there in astronomy. Uh, I need to check a

00:19:11 --> 00:19:12 little bit further.

00:19:12 --> 00:19:15 Ah, the International Astronomical Union

00:19:15 --> 00:19:17 might have a definition of a moon that's

00:19:17 --> 00:19:18 better than what I've just been pulling out

00:19:18 --> 00:19:19 of the back of my head.

00:19:20 --> 00:19:23 Andrew Dunkley: Maybe. Yeah. But, uh, it is, it is

00:19:23 --> 00:19:26 kind of a grey area all up. Uh, and no

00:19:26 --> 00:19:27 pun intended, because that's basically the

00:19:27 --> 00:19:29 colour of ours. But,

00:19:29 --> 00:19:31 Professor Fred Watson: um, it's the colour of the back of my head as

00:19:31 --> 00:19:32 well. Yeah.

00:19:33 --> 00:19:35 Andrew Dunkley: Only the Back, though. Yeah.

00:19:37 --> 00:19:40 All right. Um, it's a. It's a really good

00:19:40 --> 00:19:42 question. And, uh, there is.

00:19:43 --> 00:19:45 And he brings up a really valid point,

00:19:46 --> 00:19:47 so.

00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 Professor Fred Watson: Hm. Yeah, maybe.

00:19:50 --> 00:19:52 Andrew Dunkley: Maybe he should file that one, send it into

00:19:52 --> 00:19:54 them and say, look, have you considered this?

00:19:54 --> 00:19:57 And they might go, oh, you know what? We

00:19:57 --> 00:19:58 should. And that'll change everything.

00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 You never know. Thank you, Bob. Um, great

00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 to hear from you and, uh, thanks

00:20:06 --> 00:20:06 for sending in your question.

00:20:10 --> 00:20:12 Generic: 3, 2, 1.

00:20:12 --> 00:20:13 Speaker H: Space nuts.

00:20:14 --> 00:20:16 Andrew Dunkley: Our final question today, Fred Watson's a

00:20:16 --> 00:20:19 little bit different, comes from Isla.

00:20:19 --> 00:20:22 Isla Miller: Hi, my name's Isla Miller. I'm from

00:20:22 --> 00:20:25 Perth, Western Australia. First of all, I

00:20:25 --> 00:20:27 just wanted to say thank you so much for

00:20:27 --> 00:20:29 everything you do. Um, I've been listening to

00:20:29 --> 00:20:32 the podcast for so long, so it's,

00:20:32 --> 00:20:35 um, been really wonderful to listen along.

00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 My question's actually in relation to a

00:20:39 --> 00:20:41 graphic novel that my friend's writing.

00:20:42 --> 00:20:44 So the graphic novel takes place on a

00:20:44 --> 00:20:47 rocky planet that has a ring around it.

00:20:48 --> 00:20:50 And I guess we understand how the

00:20:50 --> 00:20:53 ring would appear to move through the

00:20:53 --> 00:20:56 sky as the planet has seasons, much

00:20:56 --> 00:20:59 like Earth. But our question is

00:20:59 --> 00:21:01 how would it appear to the viewer who's

00:21:01 --> 00:21:04 standing on the planet? So what would it look

00:21:04 --> 00:21:06 like during the day? What would it look like

00:21:06 --> 00:21:09 at night? Um, also, I

00:21:09 --> 00:21:11 guess, would you be able to see planets

00:21:12 --> 00:21:15 and the moon at night as well?

00:21:16 --> 00:21:19 Um, how it would look to the viewer?

00:21:19 --> 00:21:22 Also, would there be any strange phenomena

00:21:22 --> 00:21:23 when the sun moves through

00:21:24 --> 00:21:27 the, uh, the belt as well?

00:21:28 --> 00:21:31 Thank you so much. And anything else, um, you

00:21:31 --> 00:21:33 can think of would be greatly appreciated.

00:21:34 --> 00:21:36 Andrew Dunkley: Wonderful question. Thanks, Isla.

00:21:36 --> 00:21:37 I. I want to know more about the book,

00:21:37 --> 00:21:39 actually, so maybe Isla can

00:21:40 --> 00:21:42 send us a message. I want to find out

00:21:42 --> 00:21:45 because, you know, I'm very interested in

00:21:45 --> 00:21:47 science fiction and, and science fiction

00:21:47 --> 00:21:49 novels and, um,

00:21:49 --> 00:21:52 yeah, I'd like to find out about that. It

00:21:52 --> 00:21:54 might be. Might be my next read. Um,

00:21:55 --> 00:21:57 but, yeah, what would it look like standing

00:21:57 --> 00:22:00 on a planet with. With rings? I have seen

00:22:00 --> 00:22:03 artists impressions of this and even, uh,

00:22:03 --> 00:22:06 I think they have been a few depictions of

00:22:06 --> 00:22:09 what you would see looking from the surface

00:22:09 --> 00:22:11 of Saturn if you could stand on it out at the

00:22:11 --> 00:22:13 rings, and the effect that sunlight would

00:22:13 --> 00:22:16 have. I, uh, think it would be a glorious

00:22:16 --> 00:22:17 sight.

00:22:19 --> 00:22:21 Professor Fred Watson: It would, um. So that's the best way to think

00:22:21 --> 00:22:24 of this, is to imagine, um, you know, you're

00:22:24 --> 00:22:26 standing on Saturn. As you said, there's no

00:22:26 --> 00:22:28 surface, so we can't do that. But if you

00:22:28 --> 00:22:31 were, um. So first of all,

00:22:32 --> 00:22:35 the rings, in terms of their

00:22:35 --> 00:22:37 position, would

00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 their position as you look at them, in other

00:22:41 --> 00:22:44 words, the Vista that you see, they would

00:22:44 --> 00:22:46 always be in the same direction and

00:22:47 --> 00:22:49 basically stretch from one horizon to the

00:22:49 --> 00:22:52 other. Um, that would not

00:22:52 --> 00:22:54 change throughout the year. Um,

00:22:55 --> 00:22:57 so they would always be in the same position

00:22:57 --> 00:23:00 because you're standing on the

00:23:00 --> 00:23:01 surface and these things are on the equator.

00:23:02 --> 00:23:04 You've got a latitude, so the two come

00:23:04 --> 00:23:06 together. But what would change is their

00:23:06 --> 00:23:08 appearance. And it's basically exactly as

00:23:08 --> 00:23:11 Isla says. Um, Saturn

00:23:11 --> 00:23:14 does have seasons a lot like the Earth in the

00:23:14 --> 00:23:16 sense that I think Saturn's axial tilt,

00:23:16 --> 00:23:19 its obliquity, the tilt to the plane of its

00:23:19 --> 00:23:22 orbit is, um, about 26

00:23:22 --> 00:23:23 degrees, not that much different from our,

00:23:23 --> 00:23:26 uh, 23 and a half degrees here on

00:23:26 --> 00:23:29 planet Earth. So as you look at the rings,

00:23:30 --> 00:23:32 um, in your summertime

00:23:32 --> 00:23:35 they will be illuminated by the sun

00:23:36 --> 00:23:38 on the side that you can see. The side of the

00:23:38 --> 00:23:39 rings that you can see?

00:23:40 --> 00:23:40 Andrew Dunkley: Yeah. And

00:23:40 --> 00:23:42 Professor Fred Watson: so they'd be very, very bright

00:23:43 --> 00:23:45 Andrew Dunkley: and you wouldn't sleep at night because

00:23:45 --> 00:23:46 they'd always be lit up

00:23:46 --> 00:23:47 Professor Fred Watson: that, um.

00:23:50 --> 00:23:52 Yes, to some extent. That's right. They

00:23:52 --> 00:23:54 would, uh, twilight, you

00:23:54 --> 00:23:57 would have the rings illuminated. And in

00:23:57 --> 00:23:59 fact, that's a really interesting thing. You

00:23:59 --> 00:24:02 would see the shadow of the planet, uh,

00:24:02 --> 00:24:03 traversing across the rings.

00:24:03 --> 00:24:04 Andrew Dunkley: Yeah,

00:24:05 --> 00:24:07 Professor Fred Watson: uh, that will be quite, quite something,

00:24:07 --> 00:24:10 wouldn't it? And you

00:24:10 --> 00:24:13 get. So. And during the winter when

00:24:13 --> 00:24:15 the sun is below the plane of the rings,

00:24:15 --> 00:24:18 because the rings are on your equator. So in

00:24:18 --> 00:24:20 summertime it's above the plane of the rings.

00:24:20 --> 00:24:22 In winter it's below the plane of the rings,

00:24:22 --> 00:24:25 it will be illuminating the rings, uh, from

00:24:25 --> 00:24:26 behind. And

00:24:28 --> 00:24:30 the rings, because they're made of individual

00:24:30 --> 00:24:33 particles, they're not solid, uh, they're

00:24:33 --> 00:24:35 translucent. So you'd still get sunlight

00:24:35 --> 00:24:37 filtering through. It would probably be quite

00:24:37 --> 00:24:40 a bit dimmer. Uh, but, um,

00:24:40 --> 00:24:42 you'd get sunlight filtering through the

00:24:42 --> 00:24:45 rings. Um, and

00:24:46 --> 00:24:48 again, it would depend on your latitude. You

00:24:48 --> 00:24:50 might also be able to see the sun itself

00:24:50 --> 00:24:52 directly, depending on your latitude.

00:24:52 --> 00:24:55 It's, uh, really all kinds

00:24:55 --> 00:24:58 of interesting phenomena in regard to

00:24:58 --> 00:25:00 unusual phenomena. I guess the one that would

00:25:00 --> 00:25:03 be intriguing, I think

00:25:03 --> 00:25:05 this could be quite spectacular because we've

00:25:05 --> 00:25:07 seen photos of this from the Cassini

00:25:07 --> 00:25:10 spacecraft when you're very near the equinox,

00:25:11 --> 00:25:13 so the sun is lighting up the ring system

00:25:13 --> 00:25:14 from the edge.

00:25:15 --> 00:25:18 Um, and remember the rings, 250

00:25:18 --> 00:25:21 kilometres across, the. Only 100 metres

00:25:21 --> 00:25:23 thick, if that, um,

00:25:24 --> 00:25:26 the, the.

00:25:27 --> 00:25:30 Any larger boulders or objects

00:25:31 --> 00:25:32 within the rings are going to cast long

00:25:32 --> 00:25:35 shadows on the ring surface. And we saw

00:25:35 --> 00:25:37 that with some of the Cassini images. In

00:25:37 --> 00:25:39 fact, one of the satellites Casting these

00:25:39 --> 00:25:41 great long shadows.

00:25:41 --> 00:25:42 Andrew Dunkley: Like big spokes.

00:25:42 --> 00:25:45 Professor Fred Watson: Like big spokes, that's right. So you get

00:25:45 --> 00:25:47 interesting phenomena around about the

00:25:47 --> 00:25:48 equinoxes.

00:25:48 --> 00:25:51 Andrew Dunkley: And would you have, like, little

00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 eclipses on, on the planet's surface from

00:25:53 --> 00:25:54 that situation?

00:25:55 --> 00:25:57 Professor Fred Watson: Yes, but, um, they.

00:26:00 --> 00:26:02 Only if you're on the equator. Ah,

00:26:02 --> 00:26:03 Andrew Dunkley: yeah.

00:26:03 --> 00:26:06 Professor Fred Watson: And if you're on the equator, uh,

00:26:06 --> 00:26:09 and you're at the equinox, the sun's got to

00:26:09 --> 00:26:10 shine through the rings. It was pretty,

00:26:11 --> 00:26:13 pretty dim, I think, um,

00:26:13 --> 00:26:15 the effect that you get. And of course the

00:26:15 --> 00:26:18 rings, um, in wintertime would

00:26:18 --> 00:26:20 cast a shadow over

00:26:21 --> 00:26:24 your location, depending on your latitude

00:26:24 --> 00:26:26 because the sun's being blocked, even though

00:26:26 --> 00:26:29 some light would filter through. Uh,

00:26:29 --> 00:26:31 nevertheless, the sun's mainly being blocked

00:26:31 --> 00:26:34 by the ring system. It's a great, great

00:26:34 --> 00:26:37 question. Great. Uh, to put your self into

00:26:37 --> 00:26:37 that.

00:26:37 --> 00:26:39 Into that situation.

00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 Andrew Dunkley: Absolutely. I think it'd be, um,

00:26:43 --> 00:26:45 an extraordinary sight. And I don't think

00:26:45 --> 00:26:48 there'd be a one size fits all scenario

00:26:48 --> 00:26:51 because we know

00:26:51 --> 00:26:54 of several planets with rings and

00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 some of them are quite significant, like

00:26:57 --> 00:27:00 Saturn. But then you get out to, um.

00:27:00 --> 00:27:03 Is it Neptune or Uranus that's got the rings?

00:27:03 --> 00:27:03 Neptune.

00:27:04 --> 00:27:05 Professor Fred Watson: Both of them have.

00:27:05 --> 00:27:07 Andrew Dunkley: Yeah. I mean, they're not, they're not big,

00:27:07 --> 00:27:08 thick, heavy. No,

00:27:08 --> 00:27:10 Professor Fred Watson: they're not. They're much more slender.

00:27:11 --> 00:27:13 Andrew Dunkley: So. And the distance from the, the sun

00:27:14 --> 00:27:16 would make a difference to the effect as

00:27:16 --> 00:27:16 well.

00:27:16 --> 00:27:18 So there's all of that that comes into play.

00:27:20 --> 00:27:22 Really interesting stuff. Great question,

00:27:22 --> 00:27:25 though. Very, very left field.

00:27:25 --> 00:27:28 And, um, I like it. Thanks, Isla, and

00:27:28 --> 00:27:30 wish, um, your friend well with, uh, their,

00:27:31 --> 00:27:33 Their, um, their graphic novel. And please

00:27:33 --> 00:27:35 tell me what it's called. I want to know. I'm

00:27:35 --> 00:27:37 desperate to know. By the way, Fred Watson,

00:27:37 --> 00:27:40 I've finished the first draft of my

00:27:40 --> 00:27:43 sequel or prequel to the Human Epoch. And

00:27:43 --> 00:27:45 thanks to everyone who's bought a copy, it's.

00:27:45 --> 00:27:47 It's doing all right at the moment. I made

00:27:47 --> 00:27:49 about 10 bucks and, um.

00:27:51 --> 00:27:52 Professor Fred Watson: Good.

00:27:52 --> 00:27:55 Andrew Dunkley: Yeah. Um, but don't spend

00:27:55 --> 00:27:55 Professor Fred Watson: it all at once.

00:27:56 --> 00:27:57 Andrew Dunkley: I can't. There's nothing worth that.

00:28:00 --> 00:28:03 And, uh, I'm. I'm now doing the,

00:28:03 --> 00:28:05 the rewrite of it. The draft is just to give

00:28:05 --> 00:28:07 me the guide to actually write the story the

00:28:07 --> 00:28:09 way I want it to be written. So. Yeah,

00:28:10 --> 00:28:13 um. But yeah, I, I'm. I'm really

00:28:13 --> 00:28:15 enjoying it. Really enjoying it. But, um.

00:28:15 --> 00:28:16 Professor Fred Watson: Good.

00:28:16 --> 00:28:18 Andrew Dunkley: It's a little way off being ready. I don't

00:28:18 --> 00:28:20 know whether to write the trilogy all in one

00:28:20 --> 00:28:23 go again or just to do one, you know, book

00:28:23 --> 00:28:25 one and then get stuck into book two after I

00:28:25 --> 00:28:27 Put book one, Book one out there. I don't. I

00:28:27 --> 00:28:29 don't know. I'm still pondering that

00:28:30 --> 00:28:32 this one's going to take a bit longer to

00:28:32 --> 00:28:33 formulate.

00:28:33 --> 00:28:36 Um, but, uh, yeah, anyway, thanks, uh, Isla,

00:28:36 --> 00:28:37 thanks for your question. Don't forget, if

00:28:37 --> 00:28:39 you've got questions, please send them into

00:28:39 --> 00:28:42 us via our website, space nutspodcast.com

00:28:42 --> 00:28:45 and spacenuts IO. Click on the AMA M

00:28:45 --> 00:28:47 tab at the top and send us text, uh, and

00:28:47 --> 00:28:50 audio questions. One more thing, Fred Watson.

00:28:50 --> 00:28:52 Um, we had not so much a question from Sarah,

00:28:52 --> 00:28:55 but a comment. I've learned about the

00:28:55 --> 00:28:58 astronomy world outside of just NASA press

00:28:58 --> 00:29:00 releases and it's all your fault.

00:29:00 --> 00:29:03 Space Nuts has driven huge leaps in

00:29:03 --> 00:29:06 understanding what humans are doing up there.

00:29:06 --> 00:29:08 I need more Geordie content,

00:29:09 --> 00:29:11 though mixed in lightly, to

00:29:11 --> 00:29:14 leaving the more serious discussions on

00:29:14 --> 00:29:17 space war. I didn't know my nation

00:29:17 --> 00:29:19 admitted to having bleep and

00:29:19 --> 00:29:22 goldeneye up there until you mentioned it.

00:29:22 --> 00:29:24 That came from Sarah. So

00:29:25 --> 00:29:27 thanks, Sarah, that's a great endorsement.

00:29:28 --> 00:29:31 Uh, really lovely, um, remarks.

00:29:31 --> 00:29:33 And yes, um, sometimes you do learn things

00:29:33 --> 00:29:36 that you didn't know about. Um, such

00:29:36 --> 00:29:39 as, uh, the, the U.S. government admitting

00:29:39 --> 00:29:42 they have weapons in orbit. Um, which we did

00:29:42 --> 00:29:43 a little while back.

00:29:43 --> 00:29:45 Uh, but yes, keep those cards and letters

00:29:45 --> 00:29:48 coming in or even emails. We take them too.

00:29:49 --> 00:29:51 And thank you, Fred Watson. We're all done.

00:29:51 --> 00:29:53 Uh, we'll catch again real soon.

00:29:53 --> 00:29:55 Professor Fred Watson: Sounds good. Andrew. Thank you very much for,

00:29:55 --> 00:29:58 um, for remembering me when you came back

00:29:58 --> 00:29:59 from the Balkans.

00:30:00 --> 00:30:02 Andrew Dunkley: It was a stretch, but I managed.

00:30:02 --> 00:30:03 Professor Fred Watson: Yeah. See you later.

00:30:03 --> 00:30:05 Andrew Dunkley: See. See you. Professor Fred Watson Watson,

00:30:05 --> 00:30:07 astronomer at large, and thanks to Huw in the

00:30:07 --> 00:30:08 studio. Couldn't be with us today because

00:30:08 --> 00:30:11 he's out judging the Great Attractor. And

00:30:11 --> 00:30:13 from me, Andrew Dunkley. Thanks for your

00:30:13 --> 00:30:15 company. We'll see you on the next episode of

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